A weaning-esque question...

Just to be clear, my nurslings will be 3 in January. I suppose I am weaning them, in that we have a nursing rule: Milk is for jammy time. This means that at the moment, the girls have milk in the morning when they climb into bed and then after tea when they get into their PJs. I had been feeling a bit touched out prior to putting this in place, and was no longer enjoying our nursing relationship as much. This rule has helped me to enjoy nursing again.

I really wanted to be completely child led, but I feel like I need to have some input. While I want it to be child led, I want to end on a positive note which means taking me and my wishes into account. I'm also very keen to have it gentle for both sides. Especially because I feel that any forced and sudden weaning might bring on depression or anxiety for me.

That being said, I would like the morning session to be the next to go. There was a time when I thought it was going naturally, because they were sleeping later which meant a few days where I had to leave for work before they got up. I've also spent a night away from them, but all returned to normal when I came home. I love having them come into the bed in the morning and cuddle, but hate being forced onto my back for them to nurse as the cuddle isn't comfortable for me. Given they are twin toddlers, no other positions work for us anymore.

I think they mainly do this session because it's routine, and the cuddling and skin to skin contact is more comforting than the milk, which I don't even feel anymore in the morning.

How do I transition them out of this session? I'm happy to keep the evening one longer as that's our nicest one, and I feel that when I finally have that last nursing session, it will be in the evening.

decreased milk production

My daughter is 27 months and nurses 4+ times a day. I am not encouraging her to wean but she is night-weaned (at least from midnight to 6 a.m.). Lately she has been complaining that one or both of my breasts are "not working"--she'll switch sides frequently, or even (tonight) give up and ask for a cup of water. Is this my body finally slowing down and telling her it's time to wean? I'm not pregnant (no, really, I got my IUD out just a few days ago) and my diet/medications/etc. haven't changed. I'm not complaining at all, if she decides to stop nursing I'll be very sad but also relieved, I don't want to encourage milk production at this point. I'm just wondering if this is normal.
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Attached to a feed.....me, not them?

A question for the extended/post 2 year old breastfeeders...

For the record, nurslings are nearly 3 (in Jan) ID twin girls.

Okay, so milk is no longer for nutrition is the same way it was at 6 months, but it's still important right? I know I don't always have huge amounts anymore, but its enough to keep the girls satisfied and for nursing not to hurt, so I'm not fussed.

At the moment they nurse twice a day, once in the morning and once before bed. The bedtime one they are very attached to, because its a firm part of the routine and they look forward to "milk in jammies." I've realised though, in the past week, that they aren't as attached to the morning milk. A few times this week they climbed into bed and snuggled with me and didn't ask for milk. In fact, they only seem to ask for milk if they have woken up earlier then they would have liked and can't get back to sleep or I'm not wearing a top and well, see and want. More and more though (thank GOD) they are sleeping through from 7 to nearly 7 (6:45/7) I'm pretty convinced that if the boobs aren't right there (e.g I'm wearing a top) that they would skip that morning session with no problems. So, on to my worries:

a) What if they drop this feed, and then suddenly sleeping goes wonky again (as it does with todders/young children) and they want it back? Will I get the milk back? Will it begin to hurt?

b) Do they still need that milk? I have no intentions of supplementing with formula/cows milk and I never have. They don't actually like cows milk anyway.

c) Is it odd that I'm sorta attached to that nursing session. If they do nurse, I get an extra bit of time lying in bed. Sometimes I can convince them to snuggle for a bit, but usually its up for a drink (since they are thirsty) and breakfast.

I know part of this is tied up with the fact that I am both looking forward to and dreading the end of my nursing relationship with my children. They will probably be my only babies, and I want to hold onto every precious moment of their childhood.

Thanks for listening.
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Child-led weaning and what to look for??

I have a question about some baby-led weaning.

Sammy is 2 years and 4 weeks this week and has been, for the past few weeks, not *asked* for Mommy milk except when he's fussy.

I work M-F, 8a-5p, so during the week, we nurse Morning, before work/school and at night time, before he goes to sleep for the night. If he wakes up in the middle of the night, Daddy goes in to sooth him first, and if he continues to fuss, I'll go in and nurse him. These wakes in the middle of the night do not happen often.

On the weekend, we just add in a nursing before nap time and do any nursing in between that he might ask for, but that doesn't happen very often.

So, here's the question. If he doesn't ask in the morning, do I offer? He seems intent on eating his eggs in the morning and doesn't nurse unless I ask him if he wants to nurse. The selfish part of me feels like I'm asking because I don't want my breasts to hurt!! haha!! Otherwise, I'd feel inclined to just skip this one since mornings seem like a crazy run-around time in prepping his things to shuttle off to his Montessori and all that.

I prefer the whole child-led weaning approach, but if he decides to stop the morning one, I certainly don't want to argue!

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Hello! Nice to meet like-minded mamas, even if it is on the internet.

1. Child info: Alex, 22 months
2. Parent(s) info: Sandra, 26
3. A little about your nursing relationship: Despite being born by c-section (a far cry from the homebirth I had planned) for breech presentation, we have had no problems with nursing whatsoever. Al latched on within a half hour of being born without a hitch. I stayed home with him until he was 11 weeks, when I returned to work. The only problems I have had with nursing were related to an unsupportive work environment. Despite having a lactation room for mothers, I had to deal with irritating coworkers who seemed to think I was given special treatment for all my "breaks." I was never the best pumper and toward the end I really had a difficult time in pumping enough milk (I also think my husband was overfeeding, but that is neither here nor there). Thanks to MilkShare I was able to supplement for a while until I could get enough of a stash. Thankfully I was able to quit my miserable job when Al was seven months old, and could put the pump away. Since then--no problems. Except for that little bit where he chomped down on my nipple and refused to let go...
Like any new breastfeeding mom, it was tough the first couple of months. For the first six months of his life I swear I never left the couch, he was always latched on.
I've never been shy about nursing him in public, even though I did get a few stares (although my son is biracial, and I sometimes wondered if I was getting the stink eye because I had the audacity to feed my son as nature intended, or because I'm a white woman with a brown child). 
Nobody in my family ever breastfed. My sisters would get a look of disgust when I nursed, but I'm hoping that seeing their big sister nurse will help normalize it for them (which is insane, there is nothing normal about shoving a bottle of crap from a can in a baby's mouth, but I digress). I'm one of the first in my circle of friends (a circle of friends that has changed inevitably because I had a child) to have a kid and a lot of my friends, while supportive, were put off by it, and now they ask if I'm STILL nursing, when I'll wean, etc.
My husband has been supportive for the most part but is now pressuring me to wean, which is annoying--"You're going to stop at two, right?" etc. He was also a pain in my you-know-what at first. He is a nurse who works with a bunch of women and when he'd go into work at night they'd ask how I was doing and he would tell them I was up all night nursing...he would come home from work to tell me that it was "okay if I gave him a bottle before bed to help him sleep," etc. But he's a reasonable man, after I gave him some literature about that he shut up. He was a pain again when I went back to work for a while, with overfeeding Alex, but when I quit my job it was no longer an issue. 
He now makes comments about wanting my breasts back but I just ignore him. They're my breasts, dude. My body.
4. Things I like about nursing my toddler: The closeness. He's so kinetic and into everything and active, it's sweet that he still crawls up and cuddles with me. And when he walks up and says, "Some milk," or "Want some milk," I think it's the most adorable thing ever.
5. Things I would change or could do without: I have a mole on my chest that he loves to pick. It drives me nuts! He also enjoys tugging on my hair. 
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An introduction

1. Child info: Selma, whom I call by a variety of incredibly stupid nicknames, now eighteen months old.
2. Parent(s) info: I'm 30, her dad is 39.
3. A little about your nursing relationship: relatively easy until now, except for a persistent case of thrush (and then pain from vasospasms for about a month after that was gone) at the beginning.
4. Things I like about nursing my toddler: boob solves every problem in the world! This wasn't always so, as she started nursing for comfort at sometime around a year of age. Before that, she was a leisurely eater who would nurse to sleep, but demand rocking & hushing instead of accepting the boob when she was hurt, frightened or in pain. I'm happy this changed, because nursing a great parenting tool.
5. Things I would change or could do without: waking up 34098985 times in the night. We nightweaned once at 13 months and it worked well enough for the time being, but things came up and it didn't stick... and frankly I like our current sleeping arrangement most of the time, it's just that we've hit that spot of sleeping hell/demonic possession people talk about as happening at around 18 months, and it's kicking my parental ass.
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1. Child info:  Yisroel Simcha, Izzy for short, born 2/11/10
2. Parent(s) info: Yael and Eli, both 29
3. A little about your nursing relationship:  Easy from the start, thank G-d.  He's always made the sweetest noise when he wants Oobie.  He lays in my lap and sounds like he is laughing desperately.  Of course, all attempts to record this noise have been unsuccessful. 
4. Things I like about nursing my toddler:  He just went through a miserable bout of teething and didn't want any solids, so he nursed like a newborn.  I knew he was getting all the nutrition and hydration he needed and he smelled AMAZING.  Not until they start eating solids do you realize how delicious that milky smell is. 
5. Things I would change or could do without:  His occasional inability to nap without a boobie in his mouth.  I really need to pee right now, but I'm tethered to a sleeping baby.

For your viewing pleasure - here's a picture from our Disney trip two weeks ago.  We were on the Mickey's Magical Express bus from the airport to the hotel.  We took other nursing pictures during the actual fun part of the vacation, but this one is my favorite.
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Supply drop - would you believe this is the first time I've had this issue...

Okay, so I've read plenty of stories about supply issues. I know a lot of women worry about whether or not they are providing enough milk. Me, I've never thought about it. I should consider myself lucky. When they said my girls weren't gaining enough, I basically told them to shove it out their ear. Lo and behold, we eventually caught up and have been sitting happily on the 75centile for some time now.

My girls (ID twins) are *counts* 28 months, so just about 2 and a half. In other words, we are happily in extended breastfeeding land, having made the minimum 2 years. No weaning plans, I'm waiting for it to happen naturally.

Now that you have the relevant information, on to the question. I've had two stomach bug/issues in the past month. First the mother of all stomach bugs (all four of us had it, that was fun) and then this past week, another stomach upset meant I wasn't really eating or drinking. I'm trying to make up for it now, at least the drinking bit, but I can clearly feel that my supply has dropped. The girls will confirm this as well by telling me the milk is "all gone." They will happily suck dry though, which as you can all relate, is rather uncomfortable. I'm not stopping them, because I'm guessing that stimulation will help with my supply returning, but I have to limit it. When I'm curling my toes in pain, I have to distract. I've told the girls that it hurts mummy because she hasn't got a lot of milk, but they don't really understand.

So...I know I need to drink more, but do I really need to go the lengths of drugs etc. I don't actually think I am currently making that much to be honest, and I don't really mind how much milk the girls get as they eat a varied diet, but I do mind the pain. They generally nurse morning and night but occasionally more, especially when they are missing me (hence wanting more now, because I was inaccessable when sleeping in bed ill.)

I'm being kicked off computer (by toddlers)...but thoughts?

EDITED TO CONTINUE: Tonight I actually had to get the girls to share the left boob because the right one hurt soo much to nurse from. Supply right? I'm going to get the things for lactation cookies but I won't be able to get the ingredients until Monday or so...
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